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    October 14, 2012
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good morning, welcome to "this week." it's on. >> i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> well, don't the four minutes then. >> vice president biden brings the heat. paul ryan standing firm. >> think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> the big question. biden's aggressive approach energized democrats. did it risk alienating independents. what should we expect on tuesday, when obama and romney meet for the second face-off. we'll ask our headliner, ohio
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senator rob portman, the man playing president obama in mitt romney's debate prep. and the vice president's son, delaware attorney general bo biden. insights and analysis from our all-star panel. newt gingrich, chris dodd, george will, donna brazile, richard norton smith and the moderator of thursday night's debate -- >> it was a preplanned assault by heavily armed men. wasn't this massive intelligence failure? >> abc's martha raddatz. it's a special discussion about the debates along with our partners at the miller center at the university of virginia. good morning, everyone. george is off today. we're in the home stretch of this campaign. 23 days until the final votes
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are cast. all eyes are on tuesday's debate and how serious the president is taking it. he's spending the weekend not on the campaign trail, but instead, hunkered down for debate prep. his campaign went on the air yesterday featuring a familiar voice. >> every president inherits challenges. few have faced so many. there are still challenges to meet. but the last thing we should do is turn back now. >> that's actor morgan freeman, of course. as for the republican ticket, they spent saturday fanned out across ohio, enjoying favorable press and swelling crowds. >> our crowds keep getting bigger and bigger. there's more of a passion about changing washington and getting a new president. [ cheers and applause ] >> we'll cover the campaign and the debates from all angles this morning. delaware attorney general bo biden is standing by. we begin with ohio, senator rob
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portman in romney head quarters in boston working on debate prep. good morning, senator portman. >> good morning, jake. how are you? >> i'm well. you're playing president obama in the debate prep. >> he's playing barack obama in these mock debates we have. i don't like him very much anymore. he keeps beating me up. i keep going away shaking my head. you're lucky to have a guy so bright and capable. >> this morning, you were called the romney campaign's most valuable player for your roles as ohio point man and obama stand in. i assume you're thinking president obama will have more pep in his step on tuesday. how do you prepare? >> i think you're right. i think he'll come out swinging. he'll have to compensate for a
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poor debate. they've spent hundreds of millions around the country, mischaracterizing governor romney's positions and misrepresenting him. i think you'll see that again on tuesday night. >> congressman ryan said something at the debate i would love for you to explain. here he is. >> owe and i are from similar towns. the unemployment rate in scranton today is 10%. >> sure do. >> it was 8.5% the day you guys came in. that's how it's going all around america. >> this has been weak economic recovery, without question. but it is a recovery. and unemployment is going down, as a fact eventuual matter. why would congress ryan suggest otherwise? >> unemployment is higher today than when the president took office. unfortunately in the meantime, we've created net zero jobs.
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the weakest recovery since the great depression. i think he's right. we are happy to see some improvement in the economy. but the economy is weak they er year than last year. it was weaker last year than the year before. >> the administration is being told about the takes in libya. it's a campaign issue. this is the first time that an ambassador has been asnatsz s e assassinated. the ambassador's father said this morning he doesn't want to it be campaign issue. does that cause you concern about governor romney bringing it up on the stump? >> well, he didn't say it was a campaign issue. he said it was an issue. it's something the american people are concerned about,
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jake. look, you have been on top of this. have seen some of the tough questions you have been asking the white house on it. folks want to know why wasn't the security there and why did the administration try so hard to create the wrong image of what happened? they went out of their way to say it was because of a video. it was a terrorist attack. we lost an ambassador and three other brave americans. it needs to be explained to the american people. folks deserve an explanation. >> in ohio, the governor is making an issue on cracking down on china and the country's cheating. this other issue, governor romney gets a cut of the profits in bain capital's profits from chinese companies. is 24r not a disconnect with what the governor wants to do and how he's continuing to profit off the very problems he
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criticizes? >> yeah, jake, no. i don't think there is a conflict. a lot of americans are invested in international investments. i sure president obama is as well. the issue is what are we going to do about trade? we need to open more markets. i'm the former u.s. trade rep. it's unbelievable that the united states has sat on the sidelines for the last four years. the rest of the world continues to negotiate them. 40 or 50 have been negotiated. at the same time, we haven't been tough enough on countries not playing by the rules. one is china. as you know, i'm the sponsor of the currency legislation in congress. we think they manipulate their currency. it ought to be addressed. it's a trade issue. it makes it more expensive for us to send stuff to them. these are legitimate issues in
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ohio. >> we have one minute left. i'm turning to ohio. let's look at the latest poll. from after the first debate. president obama in the lead still, 51% to romney's 45%. from after the first debate. does governor romney have a path to the presidency without ohio? i know you're going say that he will win ohio. can he win the presidency without it? >> he can probably win the presidency without ohio, but i wouldn't want to take the risk. no republican has. we're doing great in ohio. it's about dead even right now. the momentum is on our side. it's been terrific. i've been to half dozen rallies in the last week. we have made three time mrs. phone calls through the volunteers since 2008. we've knocked on 25 times more doors than 2008. something is going on in the ground. it's turning our way. the president will continue the attack, not focus on the
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substances of the issues that the people care about but continuing the attack. >> thank you, senator portman. we appreciate your time. >> thank you, jake. now we turn to the vice president's son, delaware attorney general bo biden. bo, thank you for joining us. >> great to be with you, jake. >> i hate to put you in the awkward position of having to defend your father. i wouldn't want to have to do that as much as i love my father. i have to start with a criticism of your father's style. his eye rolls, laughter, smile, were too much for many people. overshadowed the substance of what he's saying. the romney/ryan ticket has a new tv ad. >> did they come in and inherit a tough situation? absolutely. we're going in the wrong direction. look where we are. the economy is barely limping along. don't raise taxes on small businesses. they're our job creators.
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>> smiling and laughing while ryan talked about issues. were his actions counterproductive. >> i'm happy to defend my dad. i don't think he needs defending. anytime folks on the far right are going after my father for smiling too much, that's a victory. my father spoke clearly to the american people about the facts. he did that for 90 minutes straight. this is not about how much my father splmiling or how many gallons of water the congressman drank nervously on the stage. my father arctticulated the visions of the president and he have continuing to build the middle class out and take the country forward. i was struck by paul ryan on a number of fronts. especially the position on afghanistan. i feel very strongly about that. >> i want to get to that -- go ahead,'m sorry.
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>> sure. look, i mean, you had him suggest, if not hope the door, to put additional troops in afghanistan. it is a remarkable position to take. >> wasn't he making the point that pulling troops out of afghanistan, especially in regional command east, where if been, isn't it accurate to say that generals preferred to pull out the troops after the fighting season end side, not during. wasn't that the larger strategic point he was making? >> i'm not sure if he knows what the strategic point he was making was. we heard my father articulate we wouldn't have forces in afghanistan by 2014. and you heard the congressman equivocate on that. not guarantee the american people we wouldn't have forces in afghanistan. >> your father raised eyebrows when asked about requests for more security on the ground in libya.
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>> we were not told they wanted more security. we did not know that wanted more security. >> we weren't told. the white house now says that when the vice president said we, he meant him and the president, not the obama administration at large. obviously, the state department was told they wanted more security. isn't that a copout? you're speaking in front of 50 million american, you're saying we weren't told. the people in the state department were told. >> not at all. he was speaking for himself and the president. as you heard from the briefing room the other day. in is a tragedy to lose an ambassador and three other personnel. the president is going make sure that we investigate what happened. the president is going to do what he did with osama bin laden and al qaeda. he's going to find these people and bring them to justice. this is not a moment in time we should be politicizing these issues. i have served with and know and personal friends in the foreign
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service as we speak. the idea that romney and ryan are suggesting that the president of the united states doesn't take seriously the security of our diplomats and foreign service officers around the world, i find outrageous, peshlly from the congressman who in his budget proposed to cut diplomatic security by $200 to $300 million. this is a group of folks not ready for prime time. governor romney goes to london, owe fends our closest ally, and he tells the press corps he just met with intelligence. these are people that seem to want to pound their chests, not worry about national security. >> bo biden. that's all the time we have, regrettab regrettably. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. when we come back, a special discussion with our all-star
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♪ can't start a fire before we begin, a reminder that your performance tonight is extremely unlikely to affect the outcome of the election. so, just have fun with it. >> you bet. you bet. >> i want to thank the college for hosting us this weekend. >> oh, boy, here we go. >> four years ago, president obama made a promise. [ laughter ] and yet he still vz haz not but a prebl plan on the table. >> i'm sorry, martha. with all did you respect this is a bunch of malarkey. >> what does that mean? >> it's irish. >> no, irish is i come over there and smack that dumb look off your face. >> that was last night's "snl" spoofing the debate.
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we'll bring you memorable moments of debating history throughout the show this morning. do debates change elections? thanks to our partners at the university of virginia's miller center, we have a panel to discuss it. george will, donna brazile who was al gore's campaign manager in 2000. next to donna, we're joined by two former presidential candidates. former house speaker newt gingrich, who debated mitt romney countless times. and former connecticut senator chris dodd who squared off with barack obama in 2008. richard norton smith of george mason university. and finally, we're especially pleased to be joined by abc's senior foreign affairs correspondent martha raddatz. buzz feed gave you the nickname of badass supermoderator.
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let's give her a round of applause. [ applause ] >> thank you, thank you, thank you. >> and as you just saw, we have great audience here today. thanks to you for joining thus morning. the quig question today, do presidential debates change elections? do they matter? the answer at first blush seems simple, of course debates matter. the candidates spend weeks, if not month, preparing. the audiences are enormous. 67 million for the first meeting between romney and owe what. afterward, in our twitter-fueled, shortened attention span news cycle, the performances are talked about. . ruing the a lack of preparation that led to the performance with jack kennedy 11 years before.
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>> running the [ bleep ] sed so hard, we didn't learn from the other -- >> yet, for all the hype, there's little evidence that debates make much difference in election outcomes. an nail sis between 1960 and 2008, just one year showed a debate appearance changed the election. it was 1980. >> are you better off than you were four years ago? >> president obama hopes that one exception is the only one. >> that debate. what happened? >> governor romney had a gad night. i had a bad night. >> how bad. >> it's not the first time i had a bad night. what is important is the fundamental of what this race is about haven't changed.
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>> karl rove wrote that the first debate will be seen as the decision point. do we make too big a deal out of debates? or does mr. rove have a point? >> we make too big a deal in that it's hard to argue that debates reveal apty tuesdays that are pertinent to the performance of presidential duties. they're not semiconstitutional events. you cannot become president without participating. clearly, in close elections, '60, '76, 2000, it's plauzable to say they caused enough change to be the margin of difference. with regard to this year's, it's too soon to say if the surge romney got is enough or not. if it is durable, it will be because what happens in debates that matter, they catalyze and
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inchoate feeling they had and it becomes articulate, present, powerful. >> donna, you were campaign manager for vice president al gore. >> didn't want to have an audible sigh. i was holding my breath for fear i might have trouble with the handsome men to my left. god forbid what happens if the two of us are ever on "dancing with the stars." i'll take the lead, by the way. there's no question they do matter. because millions of viewers are tuning in for the first time. they get an opportunity to look at these two men, so far, men, and to take a look at whether or not what they have heard on tv or watched over the past few weeks was actually true. so they matter. and that's why we spent a lot of time rehearsing.
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prepping. and trying to get you know, three months of sound bytes into two minutes, so they come across as concise and clear. and earn jet nergetic. >> speaker gingrich, you debated governor romney many times. then came florida. >> i'm not anti-immigrant. my father was born in mexico. my wife's father was born in wales. they came to this country. the idea that i'm anti-immigrant is -- >> a very important performance. >> my wife said if he were as prepared and aggressive with obama as he was -- i won a lot of debates. when it finally came down to the crunch, he did what he had to do. what was a surprise was not that
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he was as good as he was. people underestimate him. he's a very hard-working, very meth methodical person. what surprised me was the emptiness on the other side. romney was better than people expected and obama was unbelievably less capable that people expected. it was the matchup that made it extraordinary. one of the points clint shirley made on the 1980 campaign, that may be the one place where clearly the debate was decisive. i think carter may well have won without that debate. the 1960 debate, kennedy suddenly became a peer of nixon's. they're even after the first debate. think that what romney did. if he had had as bad a debate as owe what, we would be sitting here talking about the election being over. that's how big that is.
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there are two more rounds here. it means romney got himself back into contention in one night. >> senator dodd, you debated president obama repeatedly in 2007. you were a big part of one of the most important moments of that series of debates. let's go to a clip. >> failed. we have failed. >> you said you thought it made sense to do it. >> no, i didn't, chris. the point is, what are we going to do with all the illegal immigrants? >> that's a legitimate issue. driver's license goes too far. >> you may say that. if somebody runs into you today that is undocumented. >> there's ways of dealing with it. it's a privilege, not a right. >> first of all, what is going through your mind in a moment like that? do you buy the suggestion that president obama was not a great debater? >> i was asking the question
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that the audience was asking at that moment. a difficult moment for hillary clinton. her governor in new york was talking about granting licenses. not wants to put herself at odds with her own government. i asked a question that a moderator might have asked. think george has it right. the debates that newt gingrich and i went through in the primary process are different than the once at the presidential level. we're dealing with constituencies where you have to check certain boxes in order the become a credible candidate. when you get to the presidential debate and have been chosen, issues are still very important. but i think george will has it right. at that point, we're looking for something else. these issues become portals of whether the individual is capable of tanging on the most important job in the world. it's about character. your ability to express the emotions the country is feeling.
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the difficulties they're going through. there's a significant difference in my view. in terms of how the public looks at these engagements. we're only halfway there. there's six hours of debates. three hours of yet to come. think we're getting ahead of ourselves in many ways by determining the race is over. barack obama is a very talented person. i served on three -- two committees in the senate with him. spent how many hours in forums. this is a very talented, committed individual who i think won the election in 2008 because he brings a passion and understanding to these issues. i would be very careful about writing him off at this point. think he could come back very strongly this coming week and thereafter. obviously, we're talking about his coming back because of what happened. and clearly, he opened the door and energized the base. the republican base. the independents who may have written him off entirely. debates are important. what happened a week or so ago
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is important. what renines be done is equally, if not more important. >> richard norton smith, dick nixon didn't have to deal with facebook, twitter, cable news. put this in perspective. how much does that new media change what happens in a debate? >> it transforms watching and assessing what we see. that clip from "saturday night live" makes the point. in 1960, we had a shared experience. close to half the population sat down. novelty was a huge factor. we didn't have the media interpreting what we were seeing. the next day we discussed it at the water cooler. "saturday night live" is our water cooler.
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my hunch is the other big thing is because of the social media, instead of watching and listening, we're commenting. we're offering our own instant analysis as the debate is unfolding. that has to change what the experience is, what you're getting out of it, what you're putting into it. and my hunch is if you look at, over time, the audiences for the debates in relative terms, compared to population, has diminished. think correspondingly, the people see them as scripted entertainment epts, i think they give less weight in determining n how they vote. >> martha, you studied many, many past debates. what did you learn goes into a game-changing moment? >> i think one of the things is sort of exactly what we're talking about, too. looking at the camera, were they look away, gesturing in big
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ways? it's getting the message through throughout the 90 minutes. i love saying this. i completely agree with george will on this. we all do about what it means. it's that 90 minutes. you see those candidates for 90 entire minutes. they have to get the message out. i could see them thinking, what haven't i said? what haven't i said? getting them off-message is the challenge. but i do think it's such a fascinating test to see them in that forum. and for the public to see for the first time them in that forum for 90 entire minutes. >> george, have debates made differences before? other than 1960? >> the most consequential debate in history involved two illinois senate candidates. it was one of the lincoln-douglas debates.
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douglas clearly, and to his detriment endorsed slavery in the territories and much of american history flew. kennedy wince in 1960 by about one vote per precinct. the debate had to make that much difference. 1976, gerald ford seemed to catalyze the event that he got cross wise on himself. in 1980, ronald reagan said, there you go again, people said, he's not a madman at all. perfectly nice fellow. in 1988, when michael dukakis was asked about capital punishment and his wife, people said he's cold, he's a te technocrat. in 1992, president bush looked at his watch.
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and then, donna, there were the sighs or the part of al gore. people said, he's a bit of a stuffed shirt. >> in terms of the importance of "saturday night live" gore aides made gore watch the representations of his debate to show him how he was perceived. do we make too big a deal of those things? the sigh, the smiles? >> you're focused on the substance. here are the policy positions. what your opponent is saying. you get there, it's stage craft and you're like, the eyes and the movement of the hands. >> and the split screens. >> the split screens. i'm sure the president will be advised to look up, smile, and don't roll his eye, just stay foe wcused on candy crowley, as
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person. george mentioned, i was looking at the numbers. '84, reagan botched the first one. he said he was over trained, overprepared. not quite ready for the first encounter with walter mondale. and in 2004, when, once again, the negotiations and the bush people said that they wanted the first question on national security. george bush was not prepared. john kerry was. he tightened the race. >> speaker gingrich, i want to ask you, the president was criticized for seeming lack luster in his responses. do you think the stylistic things matter? >> think george had it right in the sense that character is part of, ultimately, you don't know what crisis will emerge a year from now. the character of the person does matter. you had it right. 90 minutes with no editing, no breaks. you watch the people interact
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with the moderator. you get a different sense than you do from tv commercials. i thought romney was helped. people said, wait a second, that's not the guy i have been frightened about. just as reagan in 1980 was suddenly more reasonable than the carter character charicatur was. i got the sense that first night that he wasn't there to compete. he -- you know -- if you wanted to give help the presidency again, it would be all right. he would be happy to show up. he wasn't saying, here's what i have done, here's what i will do, here's why it matters. i think obama was a much bigger shock in the first debate than romney was. >> in thinking about the debate, how important they are or should be, imagine rehave the lincoln
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douglas format. first person talked for and hour. the second person talked for an hour and a half. then the first person responded to that. they did that seven times, without amplified sound. >> good luck pitching that. senator dodd, is the debate aftermath just as important? the spin? >> oh, sure. the point made earlier about this is -- i suspect, the next cycle of debate will involve interactivity i suppose. people will have on a screen, actually the comments being made by the public at large as you continue to debate. we'll see i think a generation of new technology providing greater opportunities for interactivity. the after is critically important. the commentary goes on. we don't have the opportunity to think about what we have seen and react to it. we're being told instantaneously how you're supposed to react to
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it. that makes a difference. also how the candidates and their teams react. there's a bill-signing ceremony with president reaga r the first debate. very shortly thereafter. i thought i'm going to go down. i want to see how the president's reacting. i walked into the oval office. it was the night before he had gone to a movie. he go, come on in, can i get you a cup of coffee? he was devastated last night. his reaction was, that was last night, this was today. he should move forward. once the debate is over, move forward. the fact we have been dwelling on it for the last ten days, i don't think it helps. you have to move beyond it. not only how the media deals with it but how the campaigns deal with it can sustain the impressions. they need to put it behind them. >> we have about main out lea m.
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i thought tonighafter the debats is a big night for jason sudeikis. the guy that plays on "saturday night live." >> didn't see paul ryan drinking haul that water, ever. when i was asking, you're so in the moment, you're asking joe biden a question. i think right way, you knew what the strategy was. think one of the things joe biden did was in the intimate table, very small. he was too big. he was like he was at a campaign event. you could feel that, especially that table. that joe biden was so aggressive. there were surprises there. i was surprised at paul ryan, that he didn't jump in more. that was clearly the strategy. when you walk off, you're not sure how it went. >> we have to take a quick break. we'll be back in 60 seconds to hear about whether a presidential debate has changed your vote. first, a look at the 1988
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debate. >> i don't see this, in a democrat or republican or liberal or conservative idea. i see an involvement by 1,000 points of light. >> 1,000 points of light, i don't know what they meaat mean. >> we can do more. let's stay the course. 1,000 points of light. >> governor dukakis, rebuttal? >> i can't believe i'm losing to this guy. choose to do. you do what you do... because it matters. at hp we don't just believe in the power of technology. we believe in the power of people when technology works for you. to dream. to create. to work. if you're going to do something. make it matter. there's natural gas under my town.
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doing his memorable impression of bill clinton in 1992. welcome back to our panel and the audience. do presidential debates change elections? we put this question to you at home. let's take a look. >> like a loft republican who is are real conservatives, not the neoconservatives we see today shlgs i'm concerned about where the gop is going. debates did nothing to change my opinion of mitt romney or the strategy of the republican party. and so for the first time in my life, i'm going the vote for a democrat. >> reporter: that was michael may of california. he was not the only one who said a debate did not change his vote. nicole does her own research. >> i was astonished at the creativity and innovation that exists in the american people. >> because of the resilience and determination of the american
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people, we've begun to fight our way back. >> reporter: many of you greed that the ability to debate well does not convert to the ability to govern. we did hear from viewers influenced by a debate. more than one told us the first romney-owe what debate swung their vote from owe what to romney. >> you're entitled to your own airplane and house, but not your own facts. >> reporter: two of you said you changed your vote after a debate only to regret it. for marg yet, it was ross perot's performance. >> i'll all ears. >> reporter: some of you said it made you more or less comfortable with your choice. finally, a thought we know richard norton smith will appreciate. a television debate be an historical document. the role can go beyond the current voting season and reach future voters. as it has for milestone debates
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of the past. great thought there is. thanks for weighing in. the continue the conversation online today at twitter and on facebook. we're back with our all-star panel. i would like to get a final thought from each of you. the big question, do presidential debates change elections? what are you looking in the last two debates? senator dodd? >> maybe. thi i think what george will said earlier. we don't know about this one yet. we have three more hours left. the good news. but that's the bad news, too. my hope is, i believe this will be the case. i strongly advise the staffs, let the candidates be themselves. so often, they wire you up. things don't happen the way they plan to it be. let president obama be the senator and candidate he was in
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2008. >> in owe what has another debate as bad as the first one, he'll be in enormous trouble. i assume he'll fight his way back. he couldn't take a second debate as bad as the first without seeing the race blow wide open. there are two patterns here. the short quip that changes everything. ronald reagan saying i'm not going to take advantage of my opponent's youth and inexperience. i think biden, sometimes it's the whole 90 minutes. you can't interrupt 82 times in 41 minutes and not -- it would have been great three times. 82 times, you look like a caricature of yourself. >> we're going take a quick break. we'll hear from the rest of the panel when we come back. >> if i'm entrusted with the presidency, i'll balance the budget every year. i'll pay down the national debt. i'll put medicare and social security in a lock box and
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we're back now with our all-star panel of experts. his torn yan richard norton smith, do debates matter? >> i have enough trouble understanding the past to predict the future. i will suggest one reform. one legacy of 1980, late in the campaign, one week before the campaign, the carter and reagan camps were debating over the debate. it went well for governor
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reagan. swept him into office. the decision was made thereafter, whatever we do in the future, we're not going to repeat the mistake. all four debates are shoe horned into a narrow window in october? why not stretch them out from labor day until a week before the election? and then maybe as senator dodd points out, we would have more time to reflect on what we have heard. >> or too much time to reflect. yeah, they matter. but, you know, looking back at those other debate, as we have this morning, i think people have to remember that what you hear is not necessarily going to happen. and there are proms kept or we're going to do this and that, it doesn't really come out the be true. think tuesday's debate is a very different tile of debate. it's the town hall. think both member will do very well with the audience. it's probably easier for them because you have a live
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audience, like this one you relate to them in a didn't way than you do just with a moderator or each other. >> mr. will? >> certainly, they matter. newt cites 1984 when the president say i'm not going to take advantage of my opponent's youth. he carried 49 states. >> walter mondale said he realized that that moment he was going to lose. >> second, the format will matter. the next debate with the interacting with the audience will be part of the oprah-fication of american politics. everyone will be watching to see how mr. owe what strikes a balance between catatania and mania. will he be -- will he be like joe biden and people saying, where is the ritalin?
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